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It is a waste of time and not illegal since it cannot be proven. Card counting is only when you have a single deck for blackjack and knowing there are 16 cards with.


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card counting is NOT cheating. Card counting is simply using your brain, like a winning chess player. Fortunately, using your brain is still perfectly legal in the US!


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It's important to remember that card counting in blackjack isn't illegal. However, casinos have the right to refuse service to anyone they please.


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In New Jersey, it's illegal for it to be illegal; New Jersey long ago banned casinos from barring card counters from playing at the blackjack tables. Of course, the.


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They have a lot of tools against card counting and I've experienced many to If they change the blackjack payout to , then I don't think any.


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One of the most common myths in gambling is that it's illegal to count cards in blackjack. Casinos hate it, but that doesn't make it illegal.


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I understand that. Card counting isn't considered illegal. Not gonna happen. So why is card counting a justification for casinos to kick people out? KeithS: It used to be more like 0. I was under the impression that if all players play by what the casino deems are the accepted rules, then statistically, the players collectively are essentially bound to lose to the house. The best answers are voted up and rise to the top. This flaw and thus card counting can actually be neutralized in two ways: Shuffling manually after each hand - but that slows down the game and thus reduces casino winnings on the game that already gives them a rather small house edge. It is some fraction of 1 percent depending on house rules against a "skilled" player who plays optimally but doesn't vary his bets based on card-counting. This strategy calls for the big player to "table hop" in a seemingly random fashion but actually based on signals from his teammates. But card counters overcome this advantage by betting big on certain "good" hands and betting small on most other "bad" ones. On the other hand, neither card counting nor the use of a legal subterfuge such as a disguise to gain access to this table game is illegal under Nevada law. You'd stick with the odds, and play only the other A perfectly sensible and logical position, which is, in essence, the same position the casino takes. Sign up to join this community. That's just a theoretical construct. New post lock available on meta sites: Policy Lock. So "bet management" is a key skill in the game. They are allowed to take "defensive" measures such as shuffling up after every deal. If you are too good you get thrown out. What card counters do is to watch for a handful of situations that come up occasionally, where the player is favored. Card counting ISN'T illegal. Sounds like fraud to me. Tom Au Tom Au I heard that the house edge on a person playing by basic strategy was much lower than that; an eight-deck game with no additional rules benefiting the player like hitting split aces or dealer must hit soft 17 has a house edge of about. TomAu But isn't that essentially if "the appropriate times" are derived by "card counting" or methods that the casino decides "aren't fair" on their scheme of making a living off an unfair game? Only if you've used a counting device, or properly cheated etc, but then they also throw you in jail after taking back the money : Of course, there's nothing to say you aren't going to suffer a few accidents "falling down the stairs" on your way out of the casino I'm still not convinced. I believe that if you have won it legally, they cannot take it back. What card counters mostly do is to vary their bet sizes in their own favor. Michael Borgwardt Michael Borgwardt 2 2 bronze badges. EpsilonVector EpsilonVector 1 1 gold badge 2 2 silver badges 6 6 bronze badges. And the assumption is that most people would not engage in that kind of behavior unless they are card counting. You wouldn't risk your money betting against someone with such an advantage would you? Active Oldest Votes. Active 5 years, 6 months ago. Ask Question. As a slightly off topic followup, do casinos typically let you keep what you won if they do catch you card counting? Casinos have the right to deny service to anyone, and of makes sense to deny players from playing a game in which they have an advantage versus the house. This is a form of "trolling. Unless you use a "device" such as a computer to do so in Nevada, which is a felony under Nevada law. Related Hot Network Questions. EpsilonVector: If casinos took bets where they didn't have an edge, they'd go out of business. Then they "jump" their bets by five or ten times to take advantage of these situations, and bet a "basic" unit at other times, shifting the odds in their favor. Obviously, a card counter will cost them money, but if that is the only justification, then it's like the casino is cheating- they only allow sucky players to play. Needless to say, "trolling" and "table hopping," whether or not for the purpose of making money, while not illegal, are socially gauche. That's the point of counting cards. OK this actually makes sense. Yes, even if the game was precisely even; the mathematics is interesting. This is further reduced with fewer decks in the shoe. Continuous shuffling machines - but players and dealers hate those, claim that they destroy the atmosphere, etc. Is that all there is to it, or is there a valid gameplay justification for this? Featured on Meta.

It only takes a minute to sign up. Casinos pretend that they let you gamble in a game that has certain rules, but if you use skill to win, then you are not allowed to play, even if you play within the confines of those rules. TomAu Or by "beat the game" do you mean beat the other players?

Linked 4. Some casinos use them, but most seem to prefer making a fuss about card counters. Meaning that if card counters were forced to "flat bet," they would is counting cards at blackjack illegal. TimLymington: If casinos were "even money" against a handful of "best" players and favorites against everyone else, they'd be ok.

They may have the right to choose not to play with you, but the games in which they did play with you should be considered legitimate, right?

This isn't cheating in any sense of the word. So casinos will eject players for that kind of behavior alone, whether or not connected with card counting. It is negative against a skilled card counter who varies his bets. This case read more a conflict between two inconsistent public policies that have developed over the years with regard to the gaming industry.

On one hand, gaming establishments is counting cards at blackjack illegal the unquestioned right to protect themselves against so-called "card counters" who have developed expertise in the game of "blackjack" "twenty-one". Actually, it is not the "mechanic," that makes for card counting.

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Home Questions Tags Users Unanswered. See my answer below. Card counters exploit a flaw in the game implementation which is not actually part of the rules of the game. Asked 7 years, 3 months ago. Card counter Kenny Uston won a court case in New Jersey that prohibits Atlantic City casinos from barring or harassing card counters. Why is card counting considered illegal in Blackjack? The rules of blackjack say nothing about dealing multiple hands from the same pre-shuffled stack - but that's exactly what makes card counting possible. Well, the very odds of the game are per se in the casino's favour -- it turns out they're not a charity : If you want to play a fair game, simply don't go to a casino in the first place NeilCoffey: What you said is basically true, except that the best players can beat the game by varying their bets at appropriate times. You have a few advantages, but also have to play by strict and predictable conventions, but the thousand can play in any manner they choose. Feedback post: New moderator reinstatement and appeal process revisions. As far as I can see, a card counter is still subject to the same mechanic as any other players, but they are able to perform better then most people within these confines. Just a little addition to the previous answer: Imagine you have the opportunity to play blackjack against a thousand people. Viewed 91k times. You also know that one of those thousand is capable of card-counting. But Nevada courts do tend to side with the casinos for economic reasons. As entertainment goes, not bad.